While the statement might be true, there is a established fact Sri Lanka did exist during Sri rama"s period so how has the Rama travelled from the North to south without any mode of Transport to wage the war on Sita. This Topic emphases the fact that there were two sects of People during the time, one is Aryans & Dravidians the two are the oldest races such as Greeks etc., The Ramayana traces its journey down many places in the south of Vindyas, I belong to a place near pallakkad called Kollengode there is a hills which is called Sitarkundam it is a serene place the legend has it that Sita had taken a bath in this place and as such it is holy, even to this day people flock during some days in the year to offer prayers. Similarly we have Rameshwaram etc., It is said Ravana lived in Sri lanka which was the city of Gold talks about the richness of his life style which would have emanated out of trade and commerce, Closely anyalisising the period in question a period of close existenance, while we talk about Atarvana Veda, we also talk about Ravana master of all Vedas, so existence of veda amongst Asuras also existed as such travel period cannot be assumed, Well there are no other records what is said about Ayodhya. Good some topic is still emerging. Ramesh.V.Naivaruni Bangalore --- On Fri, 1/28/11, Thangavelu Subramaniun <ss_thangavelu@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Thangavelu Subramaniun <ss_thangavelu@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rivers in Rig Veda
To: "ramesh naivaruni" <rameshnaivaruni@yahoo.com>, "ANIL SINGH" <anil1292@yahoo.co.in>, "Neeta and Rajinder Sandhir" <rajinder_sandhir@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: "Shoban Babu" <shobanonline@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 5:03 PM
Dear Mr.Ramesh,
I am happy to note your interest in this subject.
I am also disappointed at the dis-interest of others.
Of late I have found a reference of Ayodhya situated on the banks of River Ghaghra (Sarayu)
The Atharva Veda describes Ayodhya as ," City made by Gods and as good as swarg"
River Sarayu flows and joins the mighty Ganga before Pataliputra (Patna)
Ayodya was the seat of Suryavanshi kings, of which Dasarath was the 63rd king.
Keeping 30 years gap between generations, the Ishkvaku dynasty of the Suryavanshi might have been started about
1900 years before Dasarath, father of Lord Rama.
It is said that Manu established this city.
Lord Rama and Valmiki Ramayan might have happened at least 1000 years before CE.
So the reference of River Ghagra (Sarayu) by Atharva Veda is 1000+2000_1900=4900 years from today.
So the Indus civilisation has spread to River Sarayu, River Ganga by BC 2900.
The Indus civilisation can atleast be correctly taken to be 1000 years before, ie, 3900 BC. and so the time of Rig Veda as well.
This tallies with scholars dating of the Vedas of 5000 years old.
You can imagine the years taken for the Vedic Hinduism to spread to the south of the Vindhyas.
Regards
Velu
Dear All The debate and analysis on the above was very interesting but all of a sudden everyone seems to have lost touch ? Ramesh.V.Naivaruni --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Rajinder Sandhir(Info) <infonet@sandhir.com> wrote:
From: Rajinder Sandhir(Info) <infonet@sandhir.com>
Subject: Re: Rivers in Rig Veda
To: "Thangavelu Subramaniun" <ss_thangavelu@yahoo.com>, "ramesh naivaruni" <rameshnaivaruni@yahoo.com>, "ANIL SINGH" <anil1292@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 12:47 PM
Greek and Latin to me. I don't know the differences between the various names. To me, all of them are smart cookies as are all persons born south of the Vindhayachals. Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:17 PM Subject: Re: Rivers in Rig Veda Dear Sri Ramesh,
Thanks for the excellant comments.
Kumbakonam Iyers being brought to Palakkad and Mysore are recent happeings within 100 years.
What I want to know how the Vedic Hinduism of Indus Civilisation spread to the South and East India.
Also can you please tell me how Ayyangars and Iyers came to be different Brahmins in S.India?
Please do not give me the simplistic answer that the Ayyangars are Vaishnavites and the Iyers are Saivites.
Is there any historic reason for the bi-furcation?
Why the Iyers of Kumbakonam agreed to leave their place to some new place and suffer?
Were they persecuted in Kumbakonam?
Subbu
While it is the accepted theory, but when one dwel into ADHIADMIKA of the Rig , Sama or Atharvana Veda, & Yejurveda The pancha Bhoota philosophy like Agni Vahayu, etc is the real god, and each community or religion has its own interpretation, for example in a prayer to the sun in the Rig Veda it is told 'BHARMA SWAROOPAYA UDYAE, MADHYANYSU MAHESHWARA, ISTHA KALE SWYAM VISHNU , TRIMOORTI DHIWAKARA. as per the Thitrika Upanishad there is the mentions of water down the Vidhyas especially the river Bharata which is close to the place called Pallakkad. As per the Atharvana veda there is the regular mention of mantrika accross the Vindhyas which implies that people in the valley were culturally superiors and well known for their skills and learning. I dont take the swipe of Brahmins taking over the locals which is not the case, I would like to tell you, In Kerala it was Namboothri whose prayogas and padhathis are different as compared to Brahmins, it was a difficult entry for Brahmins in Kerala, the story of Palghat Iyers are they are from Kumbakonam in Tamil nadu, since Namboothri refused crown the Nair community, the Nairs of Kerala brought in Brahmins especially Iyers from Kumbakonam and settled them in Palghat, for more than 40 years they were made to suffer by the hegemony of the Namboothris( Local Brahmins) and were not allowed as Temple priest, but since they were brilliant they survived and in the due course they established themselves not only in Priest hood, but also venturing into other trade like teaching, cooks , lawyers in the Kings courts etc., the rest is history. Further on the same line these Kumbakonam Iyers were taken to Mysore and in this case the Royality patronised them and revelantly they had a easy going. It is a misconception the Athavana Veda is all about Mandrika but according to me it has the most documented ( WEll dodumented PADHATIS & PRAYOGAS, we have always seen the Priest in our neighbour hood saying it is mandrikas because in Athavana veda nobody can fool around as there are document for every prayogas. Ramesh.V.Naivaruni --- On Mon, 1/10/11, ANIL SINGH <anil1292@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: ANIL SINGH <anil1292@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: Rivers in Rig Veda
To: "Thangavelu Subramaniun" <ss_thangavelu@yahoo.com>, "Rajinder Sandhir(Info)" <infonet@sandhir.com>, "ramesh naivaruni" <rameshnaivaruni@yahoo.com>
Cc: "exmecon" <ex_meconians@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 10:34 AM
This is the generally accepted concept. Anil kumar Singh
Dear Sandhir Sir, Is there any mention of any of the other rivers such as Brahmaputra, Krishna, Godavari, Mahanadhi, Tapti, Narmadha, Kaveri, Mandovi, in any of the Vedas or Upanishads? Or is it that only the Indo-gangetic rivers are mentioned? Then we have to surmise that the Hindu religion was evolved basically in the Indo-Gangetic plains, and the religion and the concept and the practice slowly migrated South of the Vindhyas. In that process Hinduism assimilated the local pantheons such as Mariamma, Murugan, Ayyappa, Venkatesha, Krishna, Ganapathy etc., into its own caln of Gods of Rudra, Indhra, Varuna, Agni and may be Vishnu. So that the Hindu Pantheon became a close knit family similar to the relatives of clans of humans. Thus Karthik and Vinayaka became the sons of Shiv and Parvathi, Vishnu became the Father-in-law of Shiv, Ayyappa became the son of Shiv and Vishnu (After taking a female incarnation) Maramma, Durga, Pattalamma, Kali, Chamundi Kanyakumari all became incarnations of Parvathi, consort of Shiva. Various incarnations to suit various contexts to kill various demons at various places at various times. Even Jainism and Buddhism originated near the Himalayas and spread to the South, patronised by Kings such as Ashoka, the Chalukyas, Bhaminis. Pujaris speaking local languages in the South were replaced by Brahmins who could recite the Sanskrit Slokas. Slowly Hindu Gods took upper seats than the local Gods. Only Hinduism has a family of Gods, inter related. All other religions have Uni-Goddism. The variety of Hindu Gods satisfy different needs of human society; Ferocious Kali, Durga, Narasimha, Chamundi to kill the Asuras, demons; Benign Vishnu for protection; Laxmi for wealth; Saraswati for education and arts; Skanda for baby lovers, Ganapathy for destroying the impediments; Hanuman for power, Brhama for creation, Shiva for destruction, Parvathi for compassion; Nagraj for fertility, Varuna for rain, Maruthi for wind, Ellamma for protecting the Ella(Village limites) And so on so forth... The variety and flexibility of the Hindu Pantheon is amazing. Please add to this theory of migration. Yours Truly, Subbu
Read the book, "Sword arm of Islam" by M J Akbar. It records how the Arabs and like conquered Indians. Indians are shown as vain, foolish and always under-estimated the oppostion. Exactly what we doing towards the immigrants within and Pakis-Yellows without. Love Rajinder Sandhir Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Rivers in Rig Veda Hello sirs, I am reading a wealth of information on this interesting subject. I am giving below some transcripts which will be interesting to read: Megasthenes, the Greek historian, who visited the Maurya court at Pataliputra (now Patna) in the fourth century BC, noted in his Indika thus: " All Indians are free and none of them is a slave...Indians neither invade others, nor do other people invade India....(situation at thet time). They fare happily because of their simplicity and frugality. They respect alike virtue and truth..." Andalusi, the Arab writer from Spain wrote in AD 1068: " The Indians, among all nations, through many centuries and hrough antiquity, have been the source of wisdom, fairness and moderation. They are creators of sublime thoughts, universal apalogues, rare inventions and remarkable concepts" Bedu ezr Zenan, another Arab writes: " Induans are innumerable, like grains of sand, free from all deceit and violence. They fear neither death nor life" Akbar's friend, Abu Fazal: The Hindus are religious, affable, lovers of justice...able in business,, admirers of truth, grateful and unbounded fidelity and thei soldiers know not what it is to fly from the field of battle" Max Muller in Character of Hindus: " It is surely extrmely strange that whenever, either in Greek or in Chinese or in Persian or in Arabwritings, we meet with any attempt at describing the distinguishing features in the national character of Indians, regard for truth and justice should always be mentioned. French thinker Voltaire: " We have sown how much we surpass the Indians in courage and wickedness how inferrior to them in wisdom. Our European nations have mutually destroyed themselves in this land where we only go in search of money. I am convinced that evrything has come down to us from the banls of the Ganges, astronomy, astrology, metempsychsys etc.,All history points to India as the mother of science and art" Pierre Sonnerat, a French naturalist: " India in her splendour, gave religions and laws to all other people; Egypt and Greece owed to her both their fables and their wisdom" The German historian Friedrich Sclegel: " Saw in Sanskrit, the " Original language" and declared in 1803, '' Everything without exception is of Indian origin" Voltaire again on the greed of the western conqurers: " No sooner did India begin to be known to west's barabrians than she was the object of their greed, and even more so when these barbarians became civilised and industrious and created new needs for themselves,. The Albuquerques and their successors in supplying Europe with pepper and paintings only through carbage..." Velu
Hi! There is no such thing as an Aryan. It was invented by the British to serve their nefarious interests. Hitler adopted this concept to boast of the super race. As history would have it, the poster boy of Hitler's Aryan was a Romanian gypsy drafted into the German Army. The myth of super-race was busted by a black American in the Berlin Olympics with Hitler as a spectator. Araya is a term of respect like Mr. or Thiru or Shriman but it is gender neutral. India had been and continues to be a magnet drawing persons from all over the world. They come and settle in India because they find India an easy country to live in free from prejudices compared to their dogmatically governed or poor lands. Last two centuries saw the Zoroastrians and Iranians settling in India and now the Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are coming in droves to India. Congress and its allies encourage this migration to have a solid vote bank. Now Chinese are eyeing India. Yes we had the slave culture imported into India by the Greeks and Muslims. This manifested itself as the caste system. Brahmo Samaj, Arya Samaj, DMK etc. were formed to do away with the caste system. Now the political parties have re-enforced the
caste system and other superstitions which are prevalent in the Indian society. Only Araya Samaj remains active in this work. Aryan invasion or migration into India is a myth of the British and adopted by the divide and rule mentality of our Babus and Netas. Love Rajinder Sandhir Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Rivers in Rig Veda
Hi, Rajjinder, There is no question of Aryan invasion in India rather than invasion it is to understood as migration and settled down in the Indus valley because of fertile land for Agriculature, but during their stay and migration thereon they have left behind a huge legacy and Charuturvana division of caste based on their work profile was invented during that period. Regarding brahmins I havent come acroos them doing menial jobs at all, while there has been documentary Brahmin hegemony subjecting the lower class into doing menial jobs and making them respect, Infact even today in Bihar and UP there has been Thakur(Upper class) having bonded slaves from lower section of the society, in Kerala Narayana Guru was the one who fought aganist the unwritten rule of respects and created awarness amongst lower class Hindus. While coming back to the point over the period cross fertilisation amongst communities have brougth about a change in characterstics in the community but overall there still lies the feeling amongst the society that brahmins are better placed in academics. with love Ramesh.V.Naivaruni --- On Sat, 12/25/10, Rajinder Sandhir(Info) <infonet@sandhir.com> wrote:
From: Rajinder Sandhir(Info) <infonet@sandhir.com>
Subject: Re: Rivers in Rig Veda
To: "ramesh naivaruni" <rameshnaivaruni@yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, December 25, 2010, 9:03 PM
HI Ramesh! That some people called Aryans invaded India is a myth spread by the British and propagated by the leftists and Congress brown sahibs. They did not want to upset the policy of divide and rule and have made it a potent weapon to win election after election. Human race has evolved from Africa. This is proven by DNA analysis and blood chromosomes analysis. Under such circumstances to say that aquiline noses are imports from Iran and so called Dravidian races are descended from Asuras. After all Asuras are inhabitants of of the nether world. When did they become surface inhabitants? India has all the variations in climate and height to have produced the variety of races over centuries of habitation. That the Aryans who tamed the natives and taught India all the finer points of life is a myth purposely spread by the foreign rulers to mentally subjugate Indians to slavery of the British. Love Rajinder Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Rivers in Rig Veda
Dear Rajinder, I agree with you on some points while there is colours have nothing do with people in India whose climatic swings various every 200 miles as such In India we have mutliple races,but your point of contention about aryan race is not acceptable becoz there is a documented evidence to state that Aryan race had acquline nose with white to wheat complexion they were well built, as a rejoinder the dravidain races were dark complexioned and they had distinct features which makes one feel that they would have been the descendants of Asuras. finally the figures and sculputres were not there the early part of Aryan race which could be liken to Vedic times especially Rig veda and during which time people used to worship nature such as sun, moon, rain etc. best wishes Ramesh.V.Naivaruni --- On Wed, 12/22/10, Rajinder Sandhir(Info) <infonet@sandhir.com> wrote:
From: Rajinder Sandhir(Info) <infonet@sandhir.com>
Subject: Rivers in Rig Veda
To: rameshnaivaruni@yahoo.com, "Thangavelu Subramaniun" <ss_thangavelu@yahoo.com>
Cc: "exmecon" <ex_meconians@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 12:17 PM
A point to consider: - Most Hindu Gods and Goddesses are depicted as dark persons. People living in very cold climates lack certain pigments in the skin which make them flesh coloured and colder the climate and duration of descent, (generations) greater the lack of pigmentation. So much so that some races look deathly white. Pigmentation of the skin has nothing to do with Aryans, Nordic races or Negroids. It is the length of time measured in thousands of years during which the persons have lived in a particular climate. It is the degree and duration of (measured in thousands of years) exposure to sunlight which determines skin pigmentation. Move way from the equator and towards the poles and skin pigmentation starts reducing. India spans the region from near equator to very north and the height varies from sea level to highest points on this earth and hence the variety of pigmentation tones. Do not divide Indians by their skin pigmentation. Subject: Rivers in Rig veda I have missed the point of the example given by me panchanath iyer here each one will have their own takes on this why have you leaned on misic while i have dwelt on river becoz we differ on our undetstandings and regarding chatuevarna is just a@point of reference it was their varna was decided by the job they did and only mush later in the satyauuga or dwapara yoga they the actual socical formatoon gained grouund and it was after the manu smiiti this became very relavant and bindong. With best wishes ramesh
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Rajinder Sandhir(Info) <infonet@sandhir.com>
To: ramesh naivaruni <rameshnaivaruni@yahoo.com>
Cc: MEC Subramaniun hangavelu <ss_thangavelu@yahoo.com>; MecSingh Mr. <anil1292@yahoo.co.in>
Sent: Sunday, 26 December, 2010 7:50:46 PM
Subject: Rivers in Rig Veda Rajinder Sandhir(Info) <infonet@sandhir.com>
To: Thangavelu Subramaniun <ss_thangavelu@yahoo.com>; ramesh naivaruni <rameshnaivaruni@yahoo.com>
Cc: MecSingh Mr. <anil1292@yahoo.co.in>
Sent: Monday, 27 December, 2010 6:15:37 PM
Subject: Re: Rivers in Rig Veda Thangavelu Subramaniun <ss_thangavelu@yahoo.com>
To: Rajinder Sandhir(Info) <infonet@sandhir.com>; ramesh naivaruni <rameshnaivaruni@yahoo.com>
Cc: MecSingh Mr. <anil1292@yahoo.co.in>; exmecon <ex_meconians@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, 9 January, 2011 3:46:09 PM
Subject: Re: Rivers in Rig Veda
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To: Thangavelu Subramaniun <ss_thangavelu@yahoo.com>; Rajinder Sandhir(Info) <infonet@sandhir.com>; ANIL SINGH <anil1292@yahoo.co.in>
Cc: exmecon <ex_meconians@yahoogroups.com>
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To: "Rajinder Sandhir(Info) <infonet@sandhir.com>Thangavelu Subramaniun" <ss_thangavelu@yahoo.com>; ANIL SINGH <anil1292@yahoo.co.in>
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Sent: Friday, 28 January 2011 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: Rivers in Rig Veda
The hypothesis of invasion of the Sindh valley by the so called Aryan race from the Central Asia has been conclusively disproved - Archaeologically, linguistically, philologically, chornologically, culturally, historically, anthropologically, genetically and finally as per remnants of civilisations. It will take tomes to cite the evidences. It is true that the genes of the victor gets embedded in the descendants of the vanquished, by forceful fertilisation of the local women by the conquering men; Russians in Germany, Poland and Czechoslovakia at the end of WW II, Americans in Vietnam, Japanese in Cambodia, Greeks in Persia, Portugese in Goa, French in Pondicherry, Moghuls in India, Mongols in Europe and Malaysia, Ottoman Turks / Arabs in Europe and so on... But that there has NOT been any invasion into India and victory by the Aryans. In fact, there is no race called Aryans and Dravidians akin to Mongoloid, Negroid races. Your suggestion that the Brahmins, all over India, are the descendants of Aryan invaders, is nothing but therories propogated by vested interests. The genes of Brahmins of South India is closer to the genes of the Harijans of South India, rathar than that of a Brahmin in North India. That proves that human genes have close resemblance within a geological domain. This suggestion also pre-supposes that the Brahmins are descendants of bastard children born out of Indigenous women and the foreign victors, coz, the victors of battle never marry the indigenous women, they only use them sexually- A suggestion not acceptable to me - not accepted by historians. The name Panchanath Iyer - Pancha Nath means - Pancha: Five Nath: Natham - Sound This denotes the sounds of five Tamil letters - Na Ma Si Va Ya = name of Shiva. Do you remember he name, Panchtcharam - meaning five letters; also denotes the same five letters of the name of Shiva. It is absurd to try to connect a South Indian Iyer as the descendants of a Punjabi. The Varnashram has been mentioned in Geetha by Lord Krishna as well as in the Vedas. They are simply the divisions of society based n their traditional profession - Nothinh to do with race. All people in India are of the same genetic material, closely related with the difference of colour, height, features being the evolutions due to the work and ambience. Take a fair Brahmin and make him work in the blazing sun for generations. He and his progenies will become dark. Similarly, make a farmer to sit in a closed premises, read scriptures-He will become fair. Simple sun ten proves this theory. To suggest that the Brahmins of India are closely related to people of Central Asia, such as Tajikisthan, Baluchistan, Afganisthan is absurd and nonsense. Geological movement of people for pastures are common, but intermarriages are not. Rather, it is the Indus - Sarasvati civilisation that gave birth to all other civilisations. It is the Vedic Hinduism which gave birth to Judaism to Christianity to Islam in other nations and through Buddism to Jainism within India. This has been said by European Scholars. Best Wishes Velu From: ramesh naivaruni < http://us.mc528.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rameshnaivaruni%40yahoo.com> To: Thangavelu Subramaniun < http://us.mc528.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ss_thangavelu%40yahoo.com> Cc: Sent: Monday, 20 December, 2010 10:49:26 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [ex_meconians] Rivers in Rig veda I agree with various contentions but according to the classical analysis the aryans have come from the steppis which is in Russia and there are various anthropolical data collected on this so the nearest truth is that we have the aryan blood especially the High class Hindus and Hindus from the Gangetic plains and as we travel southwards we will find the same very Hindus with Draker features which is part of Cross fertilisation or mix up with other races. Here one should go back to the Mythology for appropriate answer and according to Mythology we Had three types of human races, Deva, Asura and God's who were called syambhu, Here Deva should be constred as Aryans, Ausuras should be construed as Dravedians( It is the Binary approach of the Anglicans which has made Asuras as Demons they were not), while stating this comment one can see the Name of PANCHANATH IYER in the south, which simply means Five Rivers and also means some where in Panjab How come such names in south? The simple truth is that Aryans stands for people who has come from the steppies and during their journey in search of fertile(shifting culitvation) they might have found Indus valley or the Gangatic plans very inviting and suibable for cultivation and settled down and later years generation would have ventured further down and spread all over the regions and dravedians would have acoomodated these people to settle down here because of their understanding about agriculature and state craft would have happened because of them and one will find that most of the minister in any Kings courts whether north or south has alwyas been Brahmins. > >Dear Sirs, > >In this context, it is worthwhile to read the following writings: > >Velu > >Sri Aurobindo: >" A time must come when the Indian mind will shake off the darkness that has fallen upon it, >cease to think or hold opinions at second and third hand and reassert its right to judge and enquire >in a perfect freedom into the meaning of its own Scriptures" > >Bankim Chandra Chatterji: > "Do not lose reverence for the past: It is on the past that you must plant your foot firmly >if you wish to mount high in the future. You are not a race of savages (Early Europeans) who have no past to remember; >You cannot dissever yourselves in a day from the associations and influeneces a past >which extends to atleast five hundred centuries. You cannot annihilate in a day a past national existence >which has survived the annihilaition of hundreds of empires, of hundred systems of religion, >and which has survived unconcerned the downfall and ruin of many kindred civilisations. >I have to make my warning so emphatic because the general tendency of European scholars, >who have so great an influence over you, is to decry your past history, to call for its virtual erasure >from your memory, and to lead you in the opposite direction" >
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>You are right. >I also felt bad reading Mr.Sandhir's mail dragging politics and religion. > >I have seen the maps showing the locations where Indus civilisation relics were excavated. >Apart from Mohanjo-Daro on Indus and Harappa on Ravi, there are hundreds of sites, >located on the banks of now dried up Sarasvathi river. >So it is the drying of the Srasvathi river that forced the Vedic people to move to the >Gangetis plains and NOT the invasion of Aryans. > >The fundamental question is whether so called Aryan invasion of Indus plains >and driving of the so called Dravidians to the south took place or not. >The Aryans are supposed to have come from Central Asia to Europe to Harappan Sindh. > >And now this theory of Aryan Invasion has been conclusively disproved. >The seers such as Dayananda Sarasvathi, Sri Aurobindo, Swami Vivekananda, Max-Mueller >( He changed his idea) and many European historians have written disproving this theory. > >Why probably Mr.Sandhir was reacting like that was, Max Mueller and Pastor Caldwell propagated this theory >of Aryan invasion of Dravidian civilisation prominant in the Indus valley, >and tried to divide Indians into descendants of Aryans (fair, tall, sharp nose) and >Dravidians (Short, black, swarthy, short nose etc.,) and also by further dividing the Indiams >into Brahmans (Descendants of Aryans) and Non-Brahmans - Dasyus- Dasas (descendnats of Dravidians) >This is to divide and rule the Indians in which game the English succeeded. > >There is another twist in this theory of Aryan invasion from Central Asia of not only Sindh but also the Europe. >The conqurers were called Indo-Europeans or the Indo-Germanic. >Hitler used this proposition that Aryans or of superior race and they are the ones to >conquer and rule the Non-Aryans. >The rest of history and the devastation that followed in WW II is well known.
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>World wide ,Historians record that the oldest surviving civilization is the Harappan or Saraswati civilization ( 6500bc to 1000 bc).It is also called the Vedic period.Two important cities -Harappa on river Ravi and Mohenjodaro on the Indus came up..So it is also called the Indus Valley civilization. >4000 to 3700bc was the Rigveda period.3600 to 3100 bc is the late Vedic period when the Yajur, Sama, and Atharva Vedas were composed. >In 1900bc the Saraswati started drying up and this caused whole population move to Ganga Valley and thus arose the classical Indian Civilization. and thus came into existence the Gangetic Civilization of the 1st millinium bc. >This is history and what that has to do with politics or communal hatred or other religions
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The order in which the rivers are menitoned in the Rig Veda is interesting >>and , in my opinion, should have great importance: >> >>Read the sloka below: >> >>"Imam me gange yamune sarasvati sutudri stomam sacataa parusnaya >>asiknyaa marudvrudhe vitastayarjikiye srnuhya susomaya" -X75.05 Rig Veda >> >>" O Ganga, Yamuna, Sarasvati, Sutudri (Sutlej), Parushni (Ravi) >> hear my praise! >> Listen to my call, Asikni (Chenab), Marudvrida(Maruvardhvan) >> Vitasa (Jheelum), with Arjikiya, Sushoma (Sohan)" >> >>It starts with the Gangetic plains and proceeds towards the rivers of Punjab Sindh. >>Does it mean the Vedic culture originated in the Gangetic plains and migrated towards west? >>Or vice versa, from the sites of Mohanjadaro and Harappa towards Pataliputra and Nalanda? >> >>Anyone can add some learned lights? >
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